Another 4 Years of American Decline?

[[N]Wym]

Ummm the way the BBC was reporting, a minimal surgical strike is inevitable within the next 4 months?? Iran stubbornly want nuclear power so only time will tell......??

[[N]Von Clausewitz]

Ummm the way the BBC was reporting, a minimal surgical strike is inevitable within the next 4 months?? Iran stubbornly want nuclear power so only time will tell......??

This might be the last option, although just a strike from the air might not be feasible.

VC

[[N]Sloop]

If Americans are so stupid to laugh Ron Paul out of the debates, so ignorant to not see the manipulation of the central banks, so predjediced to vote by skin color, and so lazy to demand endless entitlements, then they deserve exactly whats comming to them.

This is all going according to plan. The last president elected by the people and not "chosen" by our true masters was Kennedy, and they blew his brains out. There is nothing that the "old American's" can do other than fight a hopeless battle to the end. The plan for the destruction of the United States as we knew it has reached the point of no return. Stop wasting your time and effort and enjoy your life and your families as best you can. The country is lost.

Oh yes, as for current events, as if current events mattered in comparison, it is without a doubt the ruling elite will orchestrate a diversion to distract the mob from the impending economic debacle. Hey, cheer up, bombing Iran is better than blowing up American buildings.

[Porfirio Díaz]

First I would like to state that I respect the free will of countries when it comes to decide they way of being governed. Every nation has the government it deserves. The lesson i can understand about these polluted election is that looks like another SuperBowl where the biased media managed to keep us hooked.

Eventhoug Obama has won the most powerfull nation in geopolitical therms, military and market size economy, will remain being divided. The recent fracture that separates US comes from the election of Bush and the electorial ''favor'' his brother Jef did in Florida. The 29 electorial votes isn't just a symbolism.

I personally believe that the suspected legitimacy on 2000 election accelerated the process of reacomodation of the neoconservadurism and encouraged them to start their last and most hideous bet after 9/11. To create an external enemy so powerfull and sinister that would turn the attention off from the so called winning nation from the cold War and its actual probles, internal crisis, economical, political you name it.

The US has shown that they can be The Marshall of the World invading (Afganistan and IRAK), overlooking UN security council, apply torture tactics with no sanction whatsoever , hey they are even applying airport security clearences everywhere just because america says so.

All this as a exbition of power. Despite all this flamboyant show, the world dominant power hasnt been able to reverse its internal unballances, his growing Third World inside America country living on hopes of the American dream, the silent invasion of inmigrants ( Wetbacks!!! ) transforming american cities in foreign entities of Mexico, Guatemala , El Salvador, etc. The economical battle that has been almost lost against Fu Hao Li Chaing Chung Chin Paz jajaj China !!! The detriment of their healtcareand educational industry, the environmental chaos, SAVE the PANDAS.

Obama received a nation that had been fractured by the crisis of 2008 caused by the credit default swaps, if anyone needs any guidances to understand these ill be more than happy to explain the CDS. Im not saying its an excuse, but the rebirth of racial, religious and cultural hate really polarized the nation. The impulse of how you called the ''new generation'' that an african american president could turn things was lost in these 4 yeats on the so high unacomplished expectations that were put on just a single man.

The dashing movement of the Tea Party for me was the expresion of an ultra right that was not looking for any changes on the current situation, looks like they only looked for fragmentation .

Despite Obamas triumph america will remain being a great place to live and to visit . Ill always love american people and their core beliefs they stand for. Hard times will come for a great nation that dosent count Europe as a Great ally , the US will have to play a role as a referree on the European chaos of this last years. the question is will their political and military power will suffice to lead us out of this mess????

I hope no one is offended by my post, with kind regards to everybody on N cheers

Diaz.

[[N]Sloop]

Diaz, everything you said is correct and yet these details are inconsequential. It is is all part of the "plan". They have been working on this for generations and now events will move at a quicker pace. The conflicting sides you speak of are simply the pawns of the ruling elite doing their bidding. Americans have a one party political system, they just do not know it. It is an ancient military axiom "divide and conquer."

[stilgar]

@ VC. Thanks for your reply. Quite insightful.

I agree the European media seems biased towards Obama (and democrats in general). Obama re-election was taken as a good sign for Europe, probably because it is easier to get along with current administration on various foreign policy and environamental issues. I am leaving in the Netherland, and press here is rather neutral and crytical. In spite of generally positive reactions on Obama's re-election, no one failed to notice that new/old administration faces enormous challenge and that they need support of the republicans, certainly on the on key issues.

Porfirio summarized it all nicely, but there is still light in the end of the tunnle for US, but they will have to work together to get themselves out of current situation (althouhg this might sound idealistic and pompous). I am personally quite sobre about human power to get out the mess they got themselves in, but I see around many examples that give some hope.

Just to give a very recent example from the politics. Recent parlament elections in NL were quite surprising and to some extent historical. Majority voted 2 major parties, one left-center, one right-center. Here is the funny thing ... up to 20% of population voted "safely": they did not vote parties they traditionally voted (christian democrtas, far right, far left, the green, etc.), but more centristic parties that might get along and do smth about current economical situation. To better understand that, I should mention that these elections were preceded by a major political crysis, when the at that time rulling coalition of 3 parties could not agree on dealing with current economical situation and European crysis, largerly due to inability of a right-wing coalition partner to take tough but right decisions. So, this time around the people voted for a centristic coalition that can work together and get things going. And indeed, right after election a plan for tax and other refomes has been agreed between 2 parties (within a few weeks) and this is now discussed in some details. Not all goes smooth and it is in the Dutch nature to be pragmatic and do the right thing, but this is quite amazing how a nation can get together and do smth about that. Well, democratic choice could be the right choice at times (lol)

Well, the above example might not give much hope for US, as the nation is too polarized as compared to the Netherlands (90% middle class) or the rest of North Europe. But, the rulling political and business elite will have to get together and do the right thing. Again, perhaps, a bit naive view, but is there any other solution?

[[N]Bloody Bill]

So glad you started this thread VC. As a White, red blooded, apple pie eating, flag waving American I say Isolationism is the way. Oh and all of Americas problems started with letting woman vote.

[[N]Von Clausewitz]

I am not sure I understood completely what you said Diaz but i disagree with a lot of points there.

1/ you make it sound like the USA caused 9/11. Also at that time the US debt was around 5 trillions, they had just finished with the .com bubble crash, there was money and jobs in this country, the debt was not a problem and so nothing to distract the people from by making a 9/11.

2/ there were no "favors" in 2004 when the people re elected BUSH as their president.

The debt in this country increased under BUSH fighting two wars, he increased the debt 9-10 trillion dollars in 8 years. Obama increased it another 6 trillions in less than 4 years.

What did Obama do in 4 years?

1/ Stimulus after stimulus with zero return on investment. The unemployment rate and poverty increased on his watch significantly

2/ Regulation after regulation crippling the job growth

3/ Decreased oil production in the USA and moved it to Brazil costing people more jobs. He is trying to get coal plants to go bankrupt by increasing the regulations burden on them

4/ Obamacare that increased the price of health insurance on people who have it, my health insurance plan premium increased 200$ per month when Obamacare passed.

And these are only the tip of the iceberg

VC

[[N]Von Clausewitz]

Now how did Obama win re election ?

1/ a few months before re election he gave amnesty to illegal Latinos by executive order, after failing to provide comprehensive immigration reform like he promised, thus securing the Latino vote.
Latinos have conservative values, like republicans, but they vote with the democrats because of the tough and righteous stance of the republicans on illegal immigration.

2/ the black population voted for him because he is black and because the black population is mostly reliant on government handouts. The democrats made sure that the black population remained on the government plantation.

3/ he won the single women vote by distracting them with free contraception and lying to them, demonizing the republicans portraying them as people that want to take away women's rights.
I have been told by people that they voted for Obama because republicans want to take away a woman's right to chose. Really? You believed that you dumbass? Is that your top priority you dumbass? The country is going bankrupt, and this is your priority? It is not even true.

4/ he won the vote of young people, college students. These are the product of today's generation, dumb and uniformed. Still embued of socialist ideals, not been yet in the work force to know the ridiculousness of their position. Also Obama promised them that he would forgive their student lowns now that he actually took over their student lowns as part of Obamacare. Awesome news for people that lent people money to go to college, now they will lose that

5/ he also got every white socialist/communist/Marxist vote along with every moocher's vote.

We will have to work hard to put this country back on track before the demographic changes make it impossible.

VC

[[N]Von Clausewitz]

Some interesting news today you will not hear everywhere.

Obama got 10 000 000 votes less this election than in 2008.
This is understandable given the fact that the guy sucks and people are disappointed.

Surprisingly Romney got 3 000 000 less votes this election than McCain got in 2008.
That was astonishing to me. Considering the stakes of this election how could 3 000 000 republicans stay on the sidelines?

The Romney campaign must have been horrible if they could not outperform McCain. Very few people were excited for McCain in 2008 and still the turn out was better.

My goodness.

VC